bruv
County Player
Division 2 Secretary
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Post by bruv on Nov 21, 2012 14:23:05 GMT
if people pay there money to enter but not turn up its up to them i dont get why you are arguing over it at the end of the day it gets dark and the money goes in for trophies
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Post by checkmate on Nov 21, 2012 15:08:38 GMT
This season i have put the Scotch Trebles and Men's Doubles 2nd Round on the day of County matches. I looked through last season's entries and they were the comps that would affect the fewest people. Was not having a go at the scheduling there is a lot of pool going on and clashes are inevitable Another reason I have heard someone give in the past was I cant be bothered because "fill in top player of your choice" is playing there ;D Why cant we have prem players come in at round 2, like the team plate KO, as Paul says, some people get put off by the draw.
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Post by MalteseMauler on Nov 21, 2012 15:29:29 GMT
if people pay there money to enter but not turn up its up to them i dont get why you are arguing over it at the end of the day it gets dark and the money goes in for trophies spot on mate at the end of the day it is there loss they dont get a refund so the money stays in the capl funds
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Post by controller on Nov 21, 2012 15:41:43 GMT
What day is this then?
Time and time again Week in week out. It's a game of two arvs 110%
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Post by Soulman on Nov 21, 2012 16:44:55 GMT
I have found that one of the main reasons for no shows is lack of Transport. Many rely on team mates for lifts to team matches, and because they really want to play in this comp, they enter and just hope for a draw where they can get a lift or a bus to.
Many are young lads who cannot afford a taxi to Longstanton/Sawston and back.
I would propose a trial where for this round of the Comp. the CAPL is "regionalised" with venues being allocated to areas (Sawston, Haslingfield, Harston in South area, All Cambridge venues in Central area, etc.)
Players would be drawn to play in the same area as their team play in.
This would not prevent all transport related no shows, but could considerably reduce the problems, and would probably attract more entrants - with 80 odd teams, we should be getting more than 89 entrants.
Inceasing the entrance fee will just make it less likely that those who feel they have no chance of winning will enter - and surely the chance of an underdog creating an upset by beating one of the elite is what this kind of knockout comp is all about?
I also think it is valuable for lower div. players to experience playing better players - nearly all are keen to share their knowledge and help other players - after they have beaten them of course!
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Post by controller on Nov 21, 2012 17:12:07 GMT
I have found that one of the main reasons for no shows is lack of Transport. Many rely on team mates for lifts to team matches, and because they really want to play in this comp, they enter and just hope for a draw where they can get a lift or a bus to. Many are young lads who cannot afford a taxi to Longstanton/Sawston and back. I would propose a trial where for this round of the Comp. the CAPL is "regionalised" with venues being allocated to areas (Sawston, Haslingfield, Harston in South area, All Cambridge venues in Central area, etc.) Players would be drawn to play in the same area as their team play in. This would not prevent all transport related no shows, but could considerably reduce the problems, and would probably attract more entrants - with 80 odd teams, we should be getting more than 89 entrants. Inceasing the entrance fee will just make it less likely that those who feel they have no chance of winning will enter - and surely the chance of an underdog creating an upset by beating one of the elite is what this kind of knockout comp is all about? I also think it is valuable for lower div. players to experience playing better players - nearly all are keen to share their knowledge and help other players - after they have beaten them of course! Not a bad idea expect you will end up playing too many of your own team mates which isn't great. Perhaps if players request a local venue citing the reason which the committee could look at? This still doesn't change the fact and main issue of only booking 5 players at a venue!
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Post by stelmagic on Nov 21, 2012 19:54:26 GMT
Interesting idea but not everybody plays in their "local area" I live in bar hill and play at csc I can think of another half a dozen players that live near me and play in town centre.
What about some sort of lucky losers comp. you could draw a couple of the losers at random (not including the no shows)and do something for them at finals night, maybe a play off with a trophy or maybe a chance to play Phil, this might attract more players who dont consider they can win a singles competition but have always fancied participating at finals night
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Post by Soulman on Nov 22, 2012 0:18:12 GMT
Ref Ian's comments: I don't think having more chance of playing against team mates is necessarily a bad thing - it is not very often you play them competitively, so it could add a bit more spice!
I am not sure booking 5 (or 6 as most venues have this time) IS the main issue - it is the number of those 5/6 who don't turn up, and my suggestion may help that. If it doesn't work, then booking more per venue could be considered.
Ref Stel's comments: No solution will suit everybody, we have to try to cater for the majority, but a solution would be to allow players to choose on their registration form to be drawn in an area where they live rather than where their team plays.
Some may consider that it would allow players to gain an advantage by choosing to play in an area with only, or more, lower division clubs - although as there could be a number of Prem players living in and electing to play in that area, players would not be sure of gaining an advantage - and anyway, it is only the first stage of the Comp. - they still have to beat the best later on to win.
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Lefty
International Player
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Post by Lefty on Nov 22, 2012 1:09:21 GMT
I'm not sure increasing the cost of the comp will help things too much, it may even reduce the amount of funding available for trophies.
I think we probably have 2 options that would work better to get an improved turnout.
1. Like suggested by Luke, make the deadline date for entries much closer to comp date (although it has been made alot closer this seaon than normal)
2. Turn either the Open or Handicap into the event that qualifies for CoC instead of having a single comp of its own right for it.
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Post by Soulman on Nov 22, 2012 1:18:42 GMT
If increasing entry fees is to discourage no shows without discouraging others, it would need to be targeted - i.e after a no show, goes up to £3, after 2 no shows to £5, after 3 in a row, £10 or £20 (as they are clearly now taking the P!)
My only concern is that the organisers may find this too onerous to administer.
If the above was practical, and introduced in tandem with the "regionalisation" described above, it would, I believe, give the best chance of improving the no show problem.
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Post by controller on Nov 22, 2012 7:10:21 GMT
How about each venue offering free cheese?
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Post by Dan on Nov 22, 2012 11:31:08 GMT
Depends on the cheese really.
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Post by Steve McCann on Nov 22, 2012 13:18:51 GMT
These pubs can barely stay in business with the revenue of a few soft drinks bought on the night... you now expect them to reinvest some cheddar?
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Post by controller on Nov 22, 2012 15:50:20 GMT
Good point Dan. But then it depends what you're drinking? Gotta be cheddar with beer.
I could go a Port though hence a wider choice would be required.
We need a cheese secretary.
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Post by controller on Nov 22, 2012 15:53:48 GMT
These pubs can barely stay in business with the revenue of a few soft drinks bought on the night... you now expect them to reinvest some cheddar? Soft drinks provide a bigger profit margin ;-)
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Post by James Griffiths on Nov 30, 2012 21:13:54 GMT
Don't forget this is this Sunday ladies and gents, could all stewards make a note of all scores on the night and either text me them or email them to me (details are on the committee contacts page),could u also include the names of any no shows please, thanks and good luck to all playing.
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Post by P.A.U.L on Dec 2, 2012 21:45:18 GMT
Moon
Carl v Paul 1-3 Andy v Paul 3-2
Andy Lindsay wins
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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Dec 2, 2012 22:30:09 GMT
Mickeys:
Semi-Final
Dave 2 - 3 Matt Shaun 3 - 0 Jake
Final:
Matt 3 - 2 Shaun
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Post by Rob Hogan on Dec 2, 2012 22:56:06 GMT
Fulbourn SSC:
Semi Rob Hogan 3-2 John Pell Chris Jenkins 3-1 Paul Cummins
Final Rob 3-2 Chris
Tense stuff!
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Post by stelmagic on Dec 2, 2012 23:05:35 GMT
Csc winner Paul stel, med winner joff, tev winner simon,run winner vinny, hopbine winner nosh
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