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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Nov 18, 2012 20:38:35 GMT
That system would suit the weaker players as they are more likely to get a venue outside of Cambridge. Assuming the "better" players like Ian would request a central venue, those in the venues on the outskirts of Cambridge are likely to have weaker groups and therefor an easier passage through to the second round.
This would lead to weaker competition in the latter stages and devalue the competition as a whole, IMHO.
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Post by rusty on Nov 18, 2012 21:57:43 GMT
At the end of the day when you pay your £2 to enter the singles you know that you could be drawn at a venue in or out of cambridge . Thats the luck of the draw some you win some you lose
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Post by Dan on Nov 18, 2012 22:01:13 GMT
While that is true, it doesn't deter from the theory that less players turn up to venues outside of Cambridge.
It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between venues being out of Cambridge and low turn outs.
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Post by rusty on Nov 18, 2012 22:14:04 GMT
Time will tell you know what will happen there will be the best turn out ever after all the comments on here
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Post by monkey on Nov 18, 2012 22:49:49 GMT
Yo
Going off the results received last season. These are the players that did not turn up. Venues are also shown. Cambridge United SC Sean O'Boyle Darren Clarke Will Brown Steve McCann
Hardwick Wayne Martin
Hopbine Stephen MacDonald Nicky Wright Dave Waghorn
Fulbourn SC Paul Kinnear Lee Williams Michael O'Boyle
Teversham Con Club Colin Copeland Joff Middleton Levi Brown Matt Bradford
The Rock Ben Turner Nick Kroening
Fulbourn Institute Monty Mills
King Street Run Dean Stacey Martin Early
Caldecote SC Sam Moralee Rob Scott Dan Taylor C Whitehead
Mickey Flynn's Richard Nixon Ada Richardson Callum Toner
The Med Danny Kidd Savvas Kides
Black Bull Nathan Weekes Alex Warman Neil Sneddon
Man on the Moon Andy Lindsay Matt Whalley James Todd
All turned up to CSC, Rathmore and Salisbury Club.
All of the ladies turned up.
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Post by Lefty on Nov 18, 2012 23:51:40 GMT
Thats 35 ppl not showing up. Out of interest how many entered last season Monkey? I'd guess at around 33% of entries being a 'no show'. It also shows that location doesn't really seem to be a main reason as there are plenty of centrally located venues with plenty of players not turning up. I mean what chance do we have if even Martin Early can't turn up to his own pub I do wonder if perhaps knowing the comp is on could be a factor. Yes players get told of the dates and draws, but how many captains tell their players on the Thurs before that it is on? Communication about the comps may be part of the reason.
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Post by monkey on Nov 19, 2012 0:54:35 GMT
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Post by monkey on Nov 19, 2012 2:13:05 GMT
Again, according to the results received. Here are the no shows for Winter 2011;
Hardwick John Nixon Matt Minchella Ben Turner
Hopbine Sam Moralee Paul Clark
Fulbourn Institute Rob Hogan Matt Ford
Cambridge Working Men's Club Kev Batterbee Andy Lindsay Ivo Miller Ian Norris
Black Bull Josh Hilsden Jake Hills Nathan Reilly
Mickey Flynn's Garry Speed Michael Duignan
Fulbourn SSC Dom Cobley Paul Reed Andy Plumb
King Street Run Philip Start Chris Patient Aaron O'Connell Pep Cirillo
Salisbury A Ixan Gorton Joff Middleton
White Lion Chris Masterson James Lucas Pete Parnwell
Man on the Moon Dave Coombes Barry Clark
Cambridge Snooker Centre (Venue 1) Steve McCann
Cambridge Snooker Centre (Venue 2) Chris Pash
Rathmore (Venue 1) J Gordon Martin Early
Rathmore (Venue 2)Jason Browes Craig Nunes
All turned up at Tev Con Club and again all the ladies turned up.
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Post by monkey on Nov 19, 2012 2:36:58 GMT
To sum up.
I am classing Cambridge United, Hopbine, King St Run, Man on the Moon, The Med, Salisbury Club, Rathmore, CSC, Mickey Flynn’s and The Rock as Cambridge Venues. 19 no shows across 10 venues is 1.9 per venue. Likewise Hardwick, Caldecote, Black Bull, Fulbourn SC, Fulbourn Institute and Tev Con Club as out of town venues. 16 no shows across 6 venues is 2.67 per venue.
For the previous Winter season using the same criteria. Workies is in town and White Lion out of town. 14 no shows in 6 out of town venues is 2.33 per venue. 20 no shows in 10 in town venues is 2.00 per venue.
My conclusion is that Mr Ian Norris should enter the Ladies Singles.
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Post by Lefty on Nov 19, 2012 15:53:37 GMT
So we had nearly 40% not turn up last season.
And again the season before we had 35 ppl not turn up.
Clearly it shows that venue seems not to be the reason so much, but that is a high amount of ppl not turning up. This is the most important comp of them all with CoC places at stake and to me thats the reason this comp should me made to be as compatative as possible. With such a large number of no shows each season i feel this takes away from that.
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Post by whalley9 on Nov 19, 2012 16:21:52 GMT
I think you will find I did turn up last seasons singles at mom
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Post by controller on Nov 19, 2012 16:39:07 GMT
My conclusion is that Mr Ian Norris should enter the Ladies Singles. Whats with all the stats? the point is you will get no shows and therefore fill up the venues properly you medicine ball head neanderthal. Talk about missing the point I can't remember why I couldn't make it. It doesn't matter. I'll get my mum to write a note next time! Also I will not enter the Ladies singles cos it goes against my principles
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Post by controller on Nov 19, 2012 16:40:48 GMT
The Open finalists should go to Yarmouth. Deciding this at an AGM is nonsense.
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Post by lastdamnation on Nov 19, 2012 17:52:05 GMT
The Open finalists should go to Yarmouth. This is the first sensible thing you've said in this thread.
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Post by controller on Nov 19, 2012 18:24:20 GMT
The Open finalists should go to Yarmouth. This is the first sensible thing you've said in this thread. If you said as much in person as you did on here, you might be vaguely interesting
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Post by monkey on Nov 19, 2012 21:58:38 GMT
I think you will find I did turn up last seasons singles at mom Can you remember your results and i will update the website?
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Post by monkey on Nov 19, 2012 22:16:36 GMT
My conclusion is that Mr Ian Norris should enter the Ladies Singles. Whats with all the stats? the point is you will get no shows and therefore fill up the venues properly you medicine ball head neanderthal. Talk about missing the point I can't remember why I couldn't make it. It doesn't matter. I'll get my mum to write a note next time! Also I will not enter the Ladies singles cos it goes against my principles The point of the stats was that a question was asked about the number of no shows and whether they were different if the venue was in or out of cambridge. Admitedly you did not ask this question, but there are other people on this forum too. As shown from last season at some venues everyone does turn up. If we had 8 at each venue and all turned up then we would be back to where we were a couple of years ago. At that point players complained that there were too many at each venue and wanted the numbers reduced so we could increase the length of the races. This we have done. The issue is not the number at each venue but the number of no shows. As you say you will always get some but over 30% is quite a lot. We need to find ways to reduce this. I have suggested two ways. Paying a premium to guarantee a Cambridge venue and increasing the cost so that players are either more likely to turn up or not enter in the first place. Of course any extra revenue would be spent on trophies. After expenses all money goes on trophies. As for the Open winners/runners up going to C of C. This was debated a couple of years ago at an AGM and it was decided that it should be Singles winners and runners up. Please feel free to propose to change it. Did you reach the Final of the last Open by any chance?
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Post by rusty on Nov 19, 2012 23:36:28 GMT
The only thing is if you increase the price of the entry fee you wont get players in the lower div enter the singles comp
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Post by monkey on Nov 20, 2012 0:50:26 GMT
The only thing is if you increase the price of the entry fee you wont get players in the lower div enter the singles comp What do you mean by lower divisions? How much extra to deter aforementioned lower division players?
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Post by Lefty on Nov 20, 2012 3:24:18 GMT
The proposal to make sure of a Cambridge venue is quite interesting, but as Matt Ford said you could get ppl using this to try and get an easier draw.
On the other hand, what if everyone does this? could you get 16 venues all in Cambridge that are all willing to hold comps?
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