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Post by orrible on Jan 6, 2010 13:04:59 GMT
Quote: At present the Interleague qualification for yarmouth is played over a series of Mondays throughout the year. They would like it changed so that all matches are played over two weekends. Maybe one in peterborough and one in cambridge. end quote
Mickey Flynns proposed the idea of ridding the Monday night matches. The reason being, that no-one in the team wanted to play on Mondays in a league which feltt tedious and difficult to get enough players. Mickeys did not once play their best side due to availability. Peterborough have backed the motion to make a change. A meeting is being held this Sunday 12pm at CSC to discuss the issue. All captains will be required to attend. The two weekends are not the only option. All options and ideas's are welcomed....
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Jan 6, 2010 13:25:14 GMT
For those who have families a sunday day-time is far from ideal. Also those who work too - this could easily clash. Therefore you pay your £8, and aren't able to play 50% Surely it will be much harder to get a team out on a Sunday daytime!! I don't remember any postponements this year. With Monday's at least you get a chance to re-arrange too............. They'd also need to not clash with our comps on sunday nights too, because this could easily overrun. You're never going to fit this into 2 sundays. 2 n half hours per match on average - some longer. 6 teams means 10 matches!! This is 25 hours +!!!!!! In fact you'd be lucky to fit this into 3 sundays. Even over 3 sundays you'd be playing from 10am til 6pm. I'd rather spend it with family thanks
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Post by orrible on Jan 6, 2010 13:35:03 GMT
Your team were one of the worst offenders of not fielding 9 players as I remember. So therefore it would seem Mondays are not ideal for CWMC either. At Yarmouth 3 matches are played in one day, the group stages and last 64. If it was played at CSC using two tables instead of one, the whole league could be wrapped up in one day or one weekend. That is ONE weekend instead of 12 (or so) Monday evenings playing in a match which will more often than not be pointless, especially at the latter stages.
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Jan 6, 2010 13:49:08 GMT
I think we fielded 8 players once over 2 seasons..........this with only 11 players reg 1 Sunday is even worse!! People who can't make that day due to family commitments and work then miss out even if they make yarmouth Playing over 2 tables also takes it away from being a team event - more like a singles as your team can't support each other as well Finding out where you are in the league table would be a nightmare too!! Lots of waiting around. If one team is doing badly with a couple of games left they may just leave!! Making it more of a mockery On top of that it means we are taking trade away from pubs/clubs......................Also players would have to pay their own team entry fee too.
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Post by orrible on Jan 6, 2010 14:14:56 GMT
The trade issue is the only arguement I feel you have a point with. However, that is not the players problem is it. The main objectives is to send the best players to the best tournament and to play Pool when players want to, not when they Have to! It wouldn't be a problem, with current technology to have a constant update on fixture places. I very succesfully organised the Cambrishire cup a couple of years ago, which was a round robin format. All done in one day and very enjoyable. That was using 2 tables side by side. No "team" problems on that day. It would be a day of non stop Pool action. Very enjoyable IMO.
BTW. Are your views your own or of your team. Your comments seem very personable? All of Mickeys and P/Boro players want the quicker option of a weekend (or alike). Did you make the K/O cup BTW, or with your family?
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Jan 6, 2010 14:28:39 GMT
My opinions only at this point - however i'm thinking of the likes of Jamie and Craig too..................and problems i may face in getting a team of 9 for the day. I will ask for opinions of my team 2moz, and take it from there.
You say about players playing when they HAVE to, but changing to a sunday will not suit others either. Changing to a sunday will not suddenly keep everyone happy.
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Post by dave on Jan 6, 2010 16:07:39 GMT
if it is played on a sunday that means ely will not have a team as over half the squad plays in a league on that night it needs tp be a league both home and away. if its played on 2 sundays you cant call it a league imo
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Post by AndyG on Jan 6, 2010 19:38:34 GMT
I would think you will get many more players who can't/won't play all day on a Sunday than an occasional Monday night, me for one. Have much better things to do with most of my weekends than hang around CSC all day and wait for however long it took to complete in the evening. There will always be people who have commitments which can't be avoided if it is only going to be held over only 1 or 2 days, however long in advance you schedule it. How would you like it if it was scheduled for a childs/partners birthday, anniversary, wedding, funeral etc., would you put pool above that? Or your teams best player was ill?, had to work? was on holiday? ....... At least with it being spread throughout the year you only miss the odd match rather than the whole league and possibly Yarmouth if your team qualifies. If you can't make 50% to go then you dont deserve to, as the team has got their without your assistance. I won't be at the meeting, as it is on a Sunday , but I think it is a crazy idea for a such a 'big' event.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jan 6, 2010 20:24:19 GMT
Quote: At present the Interleague qualification for yarmouth is played over a series of Mondays throughout the year. They would like it changed so that all matches are played over two weekends. Maybe one in peterborough and one in cambridge. end quote Mickey Flynns proposed the idea of ridding the Monday night matches. The reason being, that no-one in the team wanted to play on Mondays in a league which feltt tedious and difficult to get enough players. Mickeys did not once play their best side due to availability. Peterborough have backed the motion to make a change. A meeting is being held this Sunday 12pm at CSC to discuss the issue. All captains will be required to attend. The two weekends are not the only option. All options and ideas's are welcomed.... I'm not playing superleague next year, so I don't really care... but Who exactly are 'THEY' who want this change? - I hope this isn't one of those vocal minorities again! It's a pretty biased post to start a balanced discussion off with, so it's pretty clear where you stand on this issue Ian. You say that "Mickeys did not once play their best side due to availability" I recall a similar issue with the Cambridge Elite. Maybe it's not the system that's the issue here, but the players. Is it not simply the case that a few 'top' players just want to get in to this event in Yarmouth without having to do any work for it, so they figure that doing it all over 1 or 2 days will be easier for them? I think leagues are a tougher test than one day events, and they require more attributes to win than just on-the-table talent. Anyway, that's quite a lot for someone who doesn't actually care, so I'll shut up now
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Post by dave on Jan 6, 2010 22:08:46 GMT
Also the Ely league where the players had to put their hands in their own pockets to fund the affiliation/interleague entry costs ect and now the beet club paid this for us last year and happy to continue if we continue playing from venue who is gonna pay that now if we use the club for home games will the csc/peterborough kindly donate the £100 approx?
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 8:20:15 GMT
if it is played on a sunday that means ely will not have a team as over half the squad plays in a league on that night it needs tp be a league both home and away. if its played on 2 sundays you cant call it a league imo If it was just One Sunday I'm sure one or two matches could be postponed as you would as if it were the K/O cup or yarmouth itself? Many players are not concerned about it being a proper Home and away league. They just want to get it done, instead of "going through the motions" on Monday Nights. A round Robin is stilll a "league"
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 8:26:06 GMT
I would think you will get many more players who can't/won't play all day on a Sunday than an occasional Monday night, me for one. Have much better things to do with most of my weekends than hang around CSC all day and wait for however long it took to complete in the evening. There will always be people who have commitments which can't be avoided if it is only going to be held over only 1 or 2 days, however long in advance you schedule it. How would you like it if it was scheduled for a childs/partners birthday, anniversary, wedding, funeral etc., would you put pool above that? Or your teams best player was ill?, had to work? was on holiday? ....... At least with it being spread throughout the year you only miss the odd match rather than the whole league and possibly Yarmouth if your team qualifies. If you can't make 50% to go then you dont deserve to, as the team has got their without your assistance. I won't be at the meeting, as it is on a Sunday , but I think it is a crazy idea for a such a 'big' event. I don't understand these comments at all Andy?? You don't want to habg around CSC all day when you have entered plenty of events in the past Also if the date falls on a Birthday or whatever, that could happen (as it does in CoC for me) for the Yarmouth event. It is just the same issue!? Too many people find it a real drag to come out on a Monday night for a league where the aim is to finish 3 or above. Especially as it was this year with some "dodgy" results. Just think of all the family time on those Monday Nights!
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 8:36:27 GMT
Quote: At present the Interleague qualification for yarmouth is played over a series of Mondays throughout the year. They would like it changed so that all matches are played over two weekends. Maybe one in peterborough and one in cambridge. end quote Mickey Flynns proposed the idea of ridding the Monday night matches. The reason being, that no-one in the team wanted to play on Mondays in a league which feltt tedious and difficult to get enough players. Mickeys did not once play their best side due to availability. Peterborough have backed the motion to make a change. A meeting is being held this Sunday 12pm at CSC to discuss the issue. All captains will be required to attend. The two weekends are not the only option. All options and ideas's are welcomed.... I'm not playing superleague next year, so I don't really care... but Who exactly are 'THEY' who want this change? - I hope this isn't one of those vocal minorities again! It's a pretty biased post to start a balanced discussion off with, so it's pretty clear where you stand on this issue Ian. You say that "Mickeys did not once play their best side due to availability" I recall a similar issue with the Cambridge Elite. Maybe it's not the system that's the issue here, but the players. Is it not simply the case that a few 'top' players just want to get in to this event in Yarmouth without having to do any work for it, so they figure that doing it all over 1 or 2 days will be easier for them? I think leagues are a tougher test than one day events, and they require more attributes to win than just on-the-table talent. Anyway, that's quite a lot for someone who doesn't actually care, so I'll shut up now Quite the contrary actually Craig. I think you'll find Elite fielded a full side every fixture but Mickeys struggled due to work Commitments. Half the team work shifts. Your comments about me personally, I too doubt i'll playe Interleague. I am representing the voice of every single player in the current team, who wish to continue. I hope captains consult their players and prospected players?
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Post by AndyG on Jan 7, 2010 9:35:29 GMT
You don't want to habg around CSC all day when you have entered plenty of events in the past Actually that is very rare at weekends, I'm usually busy. I only enter something last minute if I happen to be free. Also if the date falls on a Birthday or whatever, that could happen (as it does in CoC for me) for the Yarmouth event. It is just the same issue!? If your main reason for entering was to get to Yarmouth, then you have that choice as to whether to enter or not. We are not talking about Yarmouth here and there isn't really any option for that event except to play that on a set date. Too many people find it a real drag to come out on a Monday night for a league where the aim is to finish 3 or above. Especially as it was this year with some "dodgy" results. Just think of all the family time on those Monday Nights! I'm sure some do and some don't, I don't and was just giving my point of view as a "player". I doubt if it could be completed on 1 day and trying to get it scheduled over 2 weekends will just exacerbate the problem of trying to get everyone required there twice. But my main issue is that if you, for whatever reason, can't make a weekend or 2 (and it is bound to happen to quite a few players) in the qualification then you can't go with your team to Yarmouth if they make it. Keeping it on Monday nights mostly removes that issue. We seem to manage to play almost every Thursday without these issues, why don't you suggest we have the whole CAPL league just played on a few weekends if the arguments are that compelling
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 9:42:54 GMT
CAPL is a completley different form of league and a pretty dumb statement coming from someone of your intelligence. Interleague league is simply a qualification tool. The CAPL is almost all year round and also takes up Sundays, not to metion re-arranged games. Therefore the extra Monday is too much for a lot of people. Other area get this Interleague stuff don during the break in the Pool season. We don't get that break!
The 50% rule doesn't seem to be a problem for the K/O cup. So shouldn't be a problem for this format. Look. I'm not saying we want this option (and P/Boro) and thats it.No-one has come up with another idea have they. The format at the moment isn't ideal. How about suggestions instead of slagging the proposal?
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Post by AndyG on Jan 7, 2010 9:45:40 GMT
CAPL is a completley different form of league. Interleague league is simply a qualification tool. The 50% rule doesn't seem to be a problem for the K/O cup. So shouldn't be a problem for this format. Look. I'm not saying we want this option (and P/Boro) and thats it.No-one has come up with another idea have they. The format at the moment isn't ideal. How about suggestions instead of slagging the proposal? My suggestion is leave it as it is then.
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 9:47:03 GMT
i edited lol
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 9:48:25 GMT
Mr Rivers. You were the first to request a change! Where is your opinion???
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Post by Darren Edmonds on Jan 7, 2010 10:36:07 GMT
Interleague league is simply a qualification tool. What you really need is a big 'ole singles competition to weedle out the greatest. Slap 'em all in a team and send them to yarmouth! Best chance of a good performance yet, methinks!
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Post by orrible on Jan 7, 2010 10:52:58 GMT
there is that point Darren. The best players have been there done it. Would do it againg but the 12-14 Mondays put them off. A shame really. It would be great to send a team that is good enough to actually win it. The players are there. Phil Harrison, Joe perry and Neil robertson would play too. They can't due to the monday night BLX
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