qpower
Can just about hold a cue
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Post by qpower on May 26, 2012 16:57:03 GMT
Well, you know what Clarkson would say... ?
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Post by monkey on May 26, 2012 17:55:54 GMT
Don't forget my Baccy! They are very wrong and the history of event proves it. Fill up the venues to prevent it being a nonsense comp! In all seriousness a list of entrants is the way forward... And no I'm not gonna bring it up at the AGM. Please explain why we have only 5 & 6 at these venues? It's not the age old revenue reason is it? We all know this is crap. Most times venues have no idea the singles are taking place. Yo I have kept quiet but Orrible won't let it go. I don't think he is even that bothered but he just likes to stir things up. The decision was not made because "someone might moan", it was made because it would set a bad precedent. We would be open to people asking to enter competitions late every season. Not just the Singles but all of them. What would be to stop player X seeing a nice draw in the Mixed Doubles say, and then putting up the same argument as you. I am not saying you are not genuine but others may not be as scrupulous and it would leave us open to abuse. I also don't think it is fair to add someone to a venue once the draw has been made. In my opinion, to add you would have required a complete redraw. This was not practical as the information had been sent to all of the venues. You could replace Andy Lindsay? This option was also discussed. Again, it would set a bad precedent, with player X deciding he liked the look of venue Y and replacing player Z there. I do not normally comment on the amount of work done by the committee because it is all done voluntarily. However, you are trying to put more work on the committee by asking for a list of entrants. Instead of asking the committee to do that, how about asking your captain to check he has got everything right? It is your captain's mistake and if he had double checked with the team then this error would not have happened. We have 5 or 6 competitors at each venue so that gives us 16 venues and a second round of 16 players, which is 2 venues of 8. Makes sense to me. Not sure what the age old reason is? We had three weeks between the deadline and the date of the Singles. We got letters to the venues with details of all of the comps, two Thursday's before the date of the Singles. This hopefully means that the captain will be in the venue on one of the Thursday's and can tell the Landlord/Landlady what competitions are taking place and when. What more do you want us to do? This means we had 9 days to compile the lists of players, do the draws, type off the list for each venue and get them in the post. Putting an extra step in there of posting all competitors on the forum would be difficult to fit in. Finally, enjoy your night off tomorrow.
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Post by controller on May 26, 2012 18:13:52 GMT
Flushed. ;-)
Precedents n wat not... :-D tut tut
You'll start quoting famous court cases next you melon. Haha.
What's the point of a committee if you can't see a grey area and make a positive decision.
Noone would care if I turned up or Andy. You letting him enter was a dropped bolok anyway xx
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Post by controller on May 26, 2012 18:17:49 GMT
BTW how long does it take to put the runners on the forum? Isn't it a good idea to do that? Would have avoided this situation.
Monkey. You've now conceded it is a genuine mistake. Therefore on this situation you can make an allowance?
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Post by monkey on May 26, 2012 19:41:48 GMT
Flushed. ;-) Precedents n wat not... :-D tut tut You'll start quoting famous court cases next you melon. Haha. Is calling me a melon your idea of sensible debate? Noone would care if I turned up or Andy. You letting him enter was a dropped bolok anyway xx Andy has every right to enter. However, it is his responsibility to ensure he is eligible. Please read Section 24 Point 30 of the constitution.
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Post by monkey on May 26, 2012 19:46:02 GMT
BTW how long does it take to put the runners on the forum? Isn't it a good idea to do that? Would have avoided this situation. I have answered this point already. I think your captain should ensure the entries he/she puts forward are correct. Monkey. You've now conceded it is a genuine mistake. Therefore on this situation you can make an allowance? I don't think anyone thinks it is anything other than a genuine mistake by your captain. Dave Coombes also realises that his captain made a mistake in not entering him into the Singles. He has also accepted that he therefore cannot compete this season. Something you seem unable to do.
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Post by controller on May 26, 2012 20:44:26 GMT
Any sensible tournament organiser will publish a list of runners.
You have conceded that there are now 2 accepted errors which can easily be rectified by the committee, if they werent being so anal.
Putting ineligable people in a draw is ridiculous. Made even more ridiculous when you have a natural replacement!
You are a melon.
Just cos Mr Coombes chooses not to argue doesn't mean anything. You're starting to sound like a Dictator. :-)
Why dont u just put us in and get your act together for next season? x
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Post by monkey on May 26, 2012 20:52:57 GMT
Any sensible tournament organiser will publish a list of runners. You have conceded that there are now 2 accepted errors which can easily be rectified by the committee, if they werent being so anal. Putting ineligable people in a draw is ridiculous. Made even more ridiculous when you have a natural replacement! You are a melon. Just cos Mr Coombes chooses not to argue doesn't mean anything. You're starting to sound like a Dictator. :-) Why dont u just put us in and get your act together for next season? x We are now going round in circles. This is highlighted by you calling me a melon again. Good argument that. I have already answered all of your points.
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Post by controller on May 26, 2012 20:56:15 GMT
Melon
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Post by controller on May 26, 2012 21:14:01 GMT
Singles should be automatic entry anyway!! Raise the ridiculously low team fee!
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Post by monkey on May 28, 2012 23:53:50 GMT
Yo
Looks like Ian has finally given up withhis attempts to get into the Singles. Unless he wants direct entry into the last 16? By the sounds of it he had a much better night anyway. He has however opened up a debate on the future of the Men's Singles which may be worth pursuing. I do not for one second think he should have been entered, but the question is why is the turnout so low for the Singles. I am sure all of the below players had good reason not to turn up. maybe some of them can make suggestions to make the turnout better?
Sean O'Boyle Darren Clarke Will Brown Wayne Martin Stephen MacDonald Dave Waghorn Nicky Wright Paul Kinnear Michael O'Boyle Lee Williams Colin Copeland Matt Bradford Levi Brown Joff Middleton Ben Turner Nick Kroenig Monty Mills Dean Stacey Martin Early Sam Moralee Rob Scott Dan Taylor Craig Whitehead Richard Nixon Ada Richardson Callum Toner Danny Kidd Savvas Kides Nathan Weekes Alex Warman Neil Snedden James Todd
I am not asking players to make excuses so please do not take this personally. I am just asking why out of an entry of 86 players that only 53 turned up. Unlike the Ladies, with all 9 turning up. The Men's Singles is the most entered competition, but i would also say that percentage wise it is also has the most no shows. This leads to venues were all 6 players turn up but also venues were only 2 turn up. Does anyone have any suggestions to improve this situation or do you think it is OK as it is? Are you happy to turn up and only have one opponent or would you like a "proper" competition? Ideas may be to increase the entry fee or ban players that repeatedly don't turn up?
Players not turning up by venue is as follows;
Cambridge United SC 3 Salisbury Club 0 Hardwick 1 Hopbine 3 Fulbourn SC 3 Tev Con Club 4 The Rock 2 Fulbourn Institute 1 King St Run 2 Caldecote SC 4 Rathmore 0 CSC 0 Mickey Flynn's 3 The Med 2 Black Bull 3 Man on the Moon 2
Do you think venue location has an influence?
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bruv
County Player
Division 2 Secretary
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Post by bruv on May 29, 2012 0:16:26 GMT
ban players is a bit harsh for me if you pay to enter then its up to you if you turn up the league get the money so no problem really
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Post by monkey on May 29, 2012 0:48:14 GMT
True Bruv, but it can ruin the competition for some. How about increasing the entry fee for those that don't turn up in the previous season? I am just throwing ideas out there.
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Post by Longshanks on May 29, 2012 7:14:11 GMT
I reckon the weather we had at the weekend may have somehing to do with some of the players not turning up?
But like I said regarding Orrible's plea to play, should the committee be made aware prior to that one of the venues has a space, they should be able to offer it to those who want to play - but missed the original closing date? Those who do miss the closing date have to pay a higher fee to enter?
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Post by P.A.U.L on May 29, 2012 8:47:57 GMT
Nah orrible is well wrong on this. Fee should go up, 2£ is easy to dismiss, 5£ would be harder to let go IMHO
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deano
County Player
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Team: Girton
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Post by deano on May 29, 2012 9:40:11 GMT
I played my first cricket match of the season Saturday and come Sunday was fooked. The last thing i wanted was an evening in the Blue Oyster Bar
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2012 10:14:12 GMT
I didn't play because I was drawn in Caldecote, and I had already been in CSC the whole afternoon. That said, had it had been in Cambridge I would have still played. Even if I hadn't had interleague, I don't think I would have come.
I think in summary, I think the reason I didn't go was because it was in Caldecote.
That's the risk you take with the draw though. I wouldn't have played if it had been anywhere else outside of Cambridge either. The chances of you being drawn somewhere central is quite high and for £2 I'm happy to take the chance of not playing.
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2012 10:16:53 GMT
over 20% of those who didn't play also played Interleague on Sunday.
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Post by Craig Benstock on May 29, 2012 10:49:49 GMT
For me the Cambridge open makes this competition redundant anyway. The only difference between them is that there's more likely hood I wont be able to make one of the dates if it's spread out over a season.
Personally I'd rather they ran two Cambridge opens a season (one near the start and one near the end) and then have the winner of each play each other for some kind of super cup at finals night.
You can either block the winner of the first comp entry in to the second to ensure a finals night match or work out some other interesting scenario instead.
As for the business of this 'being a pub league' (wake up call!! it isn't a pub league), from my experience pubs couldn't give a plop if they host the current men's singles or not. 5 guys turning up once a season to play pool is hardly going to matter to them one way or another.
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on May 29, 2012 10:52:17 GMT
I know that Darren Clarke didn't go because he had Interleague that day, and lives outside cambridge...........So didn't want to come back in again
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