deano
County Player
Posts: 391
Team: Girton
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Post by deano on Jun 9, 2011 9:55:29 GMT
there's about 10% of teams that look after there own wicket now, as for tables that are leased by pubs and clubs call the company its leased from and get them to improve it
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 9:59:33 GMT
Really, we've always looked after ours. LOL good luck trying to get the company leasing to improve it, if tables are in pubs things get spilt it gets knocked etc you're not going to get vendors to improve the tables for general bad rolls it's simply not within the agreements of the lease as all rights and obligations are transferred over.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 10:09:20 GMT
Venues can brush, level and position their own tables surely. We're talking basic standards.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 10:10:13 GMT
In an ideal world yes, but could you really justify denying a team a promotion because of it's table. Yes - I could. |
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 10:11:52 GMT
Is there any thing you lot don't moan about???! Moan about venues! Moan about tables !! Moan about Csc , then say it's a better venue for singles!! Get a grip!! It's a GAME!! ment to be played in GOOD spirits !! You can't play a competetive game in good spirits on a bad table. |
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 10:17:12 GMT
In an ideal world yes, but could you really justify denying a team a promotion because of it's table. Yes - I could. Kinda defeats the object of a pub league then doesn't it? Home advantage is just that, deary me if we moaned this much every Saturday about state of pitches we would never have a football league. This is an amateur league yet you expect proffesional quality, their are a plethora of events etc which those with higher aspirations can compete in. Of cousre we'd all like to play on perfect tables but it is not realistic. |
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deano
County Player
Posts: 391
Team: Girton
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Post by deano on Jun 9, 2011 10:17:40 GMT
who do you play for then newbie?. thats what i ment craig, when i was captain at Girton we had the landlords cup there and Martin Early commented on how good the table was, now it has more rolls on it than Tesco's bakery.
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 11:17:10 GMT
Cricket, I play for Cherry Hinton. All that sort of stuff that Craig mention is surely down to the players. Not too sure every pub has a brush, often pool tables get moved for functions and get put back on uneven footings rather than the slates being uneven.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 11:17:34 GMT
Kinda defeats the object of a pub league then doesn't it? Home advantage is just that, deary me if we moaned this much every Saturday about state of pitches we would never have a football league. This is an amateur league yet you expect proffesional quality, their are a plethora of events etc which those with higher aspirations can compete in. Of cousre we'd all like to play on perfect tables but it is not realistic. Using the football analogy though they wouldn't let Dagenham & Redbridge in to the premier league with their current stadium. As I said early on in this thread, if you enforce some basic (and I mean basic) standards in to say the prem and 1st division and leave everything else as it is, then you could then select cup venues from accross the league in the knowledge that at least 20 of them would be of a suitable standard. You could still use tables from lower divisions so long as they also meet these basic standards. Just a table that you can cue around, is 7x4, and doesn't cause shots to go off target by more than a balls width. Seems alright to me. If you want you could change the critera of clearance around the table so that at least 90% has a 5ft minimum distance from any obstruction... or whatever criteria you want really. |
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 11:24:50 GMT
Using Dagenham and Redbridge is not the same simply as you are then talking about proffesional sport of which CAPL is not. Also the stadium is due to safety reasons etc, the actual state of the pitch has no requirements beyond basic measurements (we're comparing playing surfaces here rather than stadia), some of the pitches in the Premier league can be atrocious.
The trouble is pubs are not going to go to alot of hassle to compensate people who often only drink in the pubs on alternate Thursdays.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 11:32:40 GMT
Using Dagenham and Redbridge is not the same simply as you are then talking about proffesional sport of which CAPL is not. Also the stadium is due to safety reasons etc, the actual state of the pitch has no requirements beyond basic measurements (we're comparing playing surfaces here rather than stadia), some of the pitches in the Premier league can be atrocious. The trouble is pubs are not going to go to alot of hassle to compensate people who often only drink in the pubs on alternate Thursdays. Ok, well I don't think this part of the debate is relevant to be honest. I was meerly making the point early on that it can be done. |
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 11:39:04 GMT
Difficult to implement once a league is formed though, would teams with insufficent tables be demoted automatically?
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 11:47:54 GMT
Difficult to implement once a league is formed though, would teams with insufficent tables be demoted automatically? If you say (for example) that the prem has to conform to a certain basic standard, and a team like the workies (for example) does not, then you just make a concession for them to stay in the prem for say 4 seasons with their current table, afterwhich the situation will be reviewed. That way they have 4 seasons to correct the table. You could of course make it more or less time. You can also say that if within that time they get relegated, then they would have to correct the table before being allowed promotion. |
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Post by anomalous on Jun 9, 2011 11:50:33 GMT
Next we'll get pubs putting divits in the table and playing the long ball.
I think tables should be of a reasonable standard.
It might be a suggestion to keep a list of players who enter and don't show? decisions about what to do could be made in a year or so?
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Post by Griss and Sidle on Jun 9, 2011 16:41:48 GMT
Really, we've always looked after ours. LOL good luck trying to get the company leasing to improve it, if tables are in pubs things get spilt it gets knocked etc you're not going to get vendors to improve the tables for general bad rolls it's simply not within the agreements of the lease as all rights and obligations are transferred over. I work for a company that leases pool tables. So what I say next is fact!! If your table is unlevel, the pub can get the company to come and level it. Fact ! Also within the lease agreement, the pub can request the table to be recovered at least once a year or once a season in our companies case. If a cushion is dead, it should be replaced by the company if informed by the pub. Fact ! |
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 16:56:25 GMT
Lots of exclaimations marks there, I am an accountant for a large company that leases tables to venues such as Mickey Flynn's, WT's etc, read the terms and conditions very carefully, if the table is damaged by the client they will not simply come and repair it free of charge. They aren't going to come and fix at a whimper like was suggested. They mentioned table improvements which is a different thing than one a year maintenance. Not too sure what the above was needed for except maybe you feel special for working at such a company...
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Post by Griss and Sidle on Jun 9, 2011 17:14:24 GMT
Companies such as gamestech, claremonts, cherry and sceptor will all valet and level tables within the lease agreement. Valet a table... Clean/ brush/ re-mark and level, that is what pubs pay for when leasing. They can also request new balls. Free.  All I'm saying is that, if the pub so wishes, the pub will get. It depends on how bothered they are or how much the team moans. ;D |
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 17:19:38 GMT
I've never understood why pubs rent tables instead of buying them tbh.
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