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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Jun 8, 2011 15:28:11 GMT
Well, I guess when you spent all that effort to lose to Rob Hogan in a final, from 4-0 up, I can see your frustration.
Pubs OPT IN, which means they have requested to hold competitions. Why should we deny them that right when they've paid the league entrance fee just because they happen to be in Longstanton? (Which I know is local for a few players, me included.)
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 8, 2011 15:58:48 GMT
Table quality is of more significance than venue distance in terms of a good reason to deny a club/pub the right to host a competition.
If people think a venue is too far to travel to then that's a general issue with the CAPL boundary not specific to competitions.
You could make an argument that venues in the top flights should have stricter standards imposed on the quality of their tables, similar to stadiums in football. This could then give reasonable grounds for enforcing table standards at competition venues.
As for the issue of players not turning up, you could impose penalties for those who fail to show up and not giving any advanced notice or reason.
If the committee knew in advance the people that were not going to turn up, they could consolidate venues together who were below a level of players to make the competition competetive.
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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Jun 8, 2011 16:10:24 GMT
But then we will need a criteria on how to judge a table as "Decent". In my time as comp Sec I've had complaints about the tables at the Moon, Rathmore, Workies and others which the majority of people would say are certainly up to scratch. Sure, it's personal opinion, but we can never please everybody.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 8, 2011 17:15:01 GMT
You could start with something like this:
The table must be 7x4 size with a minimum 5ft clearance around its entirety, and not cause deviation of the normal path of a ball by more than one cue ball's width on any given shot. This applies to the table not being level, 'dead cushions', holes or tears on the cloth, etc...
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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Jun 8, 2011 17:46:06 GMT
That would rule out most venues.Workies certainly don't adhere to the 5ft stipulation there...
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 8, 2011 18:51:13 GMT
That would rule out most venues.Workies certainly don't adhere to the 5ft stipulation there... I'm just making the point that you can draw up a basic standard if you want to and it's not all that difficult. What exactly you choose to put in it is up to you. |
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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Jun 8, 2011 20:15:36 GMT
And I'm making the point that you won't be able to draw up a set of rules other than basic table size.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 8, 2011 21:22:56 GMT
And I'm making the point that you won't be able to draw up a set of rules other than basic table size. Yea, but the key difference here is that I am right and you're wrong  |
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Post by monkey on Jun 8, 2011 21:48:23 GMT
And I'm making the point that you won't be able to draw up a set of rules other than basic table size. Yea, but the key difference here is that I am right and you're wrong Yo Matt. He is getting married at the weekend. Let him be right one last time. |
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Post by anomalous on Jun 9, 2011 0:10:23 GMT
Noone said distance was an issue as long as it's worth while. The table has to be playable to.
4D... You are a little strange?
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Post by James Griffiths on Jun 9, 2011 1:05:21 GMT
You could always fine people who enter and don't turn up or ban them from entering further 9competitions if they cannot give a decent enough explanation as to why they didn't turn up? (just like you do in the league with teams that fold early etc)
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Post by anomalous on Jun 9, 2011 7:15:41 GMT
And I'm making the point that you won't be able to draw up a set of rules other than basic table size. Committee,"table Inspector"!! |
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Post by blueandwhite on Jun 9, 2011 8:36:58 GMT
its fair enough saying the clubs pay their fee's so they are within their rights to stage comps!
but we also pay fee's to enter comps and expect a fairly decent table to play on!
Mr rivers was on holiday at our venue, i knew that , lee and Andy knew that! but did the others!
because I'm sure if some one See's a top name like that, and they are playing out in say sawston, or waterbeach etc they think whats the point!!
me and lee went together, and met Andy there! and after all 3 of us went back to the club and had a game at the workies!
yes this is a singles comp! but come on guys raise the bar a bit!
if every one went out regardless of who is at what venue, you would learn more, socialize more, and i think enjoy it more!
yes the table at waterbeach was poor, and the roll was bad!
but sometimes you come up against tables like that! yes it can be frustrating to lose, but its only a game!
i would like to more people in this league to be a bit more friendly!
like i said Andy grabbed a lift with me and lee, came back to the workies , had a game , had a beer , and socialized with our team and members! more people should be like that instead of jumping down peoples necks on here!!
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 8:43:40 GMT
Surely there already is a comp played on decent tables for all players, namely the open. I personally don't play this because it's a lot of hassle for 2 frames of pool, however if a table is deemed good enough for the league than surely it should be deemed suitable to CAPL competitions..
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jun 9, 2011 9:03:55 GMT
Currently tables are not 'deemed' anything as no assessment is done except if they have a table or not. And if you did implement table standards accross the league you'd likely lose a few venues, which is why I think it's more workable to enforce higher table standards at higher playing levels.
I've played on some tables over the years in the CAPL that are frankly an embarrasment and unfit for competetive pool.
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 9:20:33 GMT
In an ideal world yes, but could you really justify denying a team a promotion because of it's table. Isn't this suppose to be a pub league after all? there are plenty of other comps where there a decent tables, facilities etc if that is the main criteria of a good pool experience for some.
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Post by Steve McCann on Jun 9, 2011 9:27:24 GMT
It may be good for the pub community... if a team was in the running for promotion to the prem, they would be more attractive to outside investors who may wish to knock down the pool area and build a state-of-the-art 20 seater pool venue with plenty of cueing space for their transition to the top flight.
However, this would lead to many more stadium-share arrangements with CSC which some people are not fans of.
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Post by deano on Jun 9, 2011 9:31:40 GMT
in the Cambridge Cricket Association at the end of each game the wicket is rated on the score card by the captain as good, average or poor. Maybe this could be a solution to look at the quality of all tables in the league.
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Post by Newbie on Jun 9, 2011 9:46:04 GMT
The difference is with cricket the team are generally in charge of the wicket, and prepare it at the start of each summer and maintain it throughout. However there is a little a team can do regarding the state of a table as many pubs don't even own their own tables they are leased. Also is table location (IE near obstacles) worse than table standard?
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Post by blueandwhite on Jun 9, 2011 9:47:19 GMT
Is there any thing you lot don't moan about???! Moan about venues! Moan about tables !! Moan about Csc , then say it's a better venue for singles!! Get a grip!! It's a GAME!! ment to be played in GOOD spirits !!
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