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Post by Becks on Dec 9, 2011 18:27:22 GMT
Oh my god I cant believe I am going to agree with Ian. But if you add an extra couple of divisions and reduce the number of teams in each division you could free up enough Thursdays. Team registration will have to go up to help pay for the extra trophies
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Post by MalteseMauler on Dec 10, 2011 13:49:45 GMT
so who is putting this to the vote at the agm and the committee will need probably at least 2 more volunteers to help out im not against the idea i think it would be kind of good but we will have to recognise the extra effort what is going to be put in by the committee also as martin pointed out extra funds required mind you surely if you are ordering more trophies you can negotiate a better deal so its only a little more isnt there a little left over from comps etc or is all monies used at the moment
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Post by The Halifax Ringer on Dec 11, 2011 1:09:05 GMT
Currently, a seasons trophies are around £4,000 before our discount. Define "A little more" James?
IMHO, two seasons a year works well and I see no real need to change it
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Post by controller on Dec 11, 2011 16:08:39 GMT
with 80 teams surely 10 a league is the logical number 10 divisions of 8 teams will be tough to manage and the committee already have enough on there plate without adding divisions 8 and 9 to the mad house not one Iota of difference
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Post by controller on Dec 11, 2011 16:09:42 GMT
I cant believe I am going to agree with Ian. Good boy Rodders. you know it makes sense ;D Happens to everyone eventually
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Post by controller on Dec 11, 2011 16:11:58 GMT
Oh my god I cant believe I am going to agree with Ian. But if you add an extra couple of divisions and reduce the number of teams in each division you could free up enough Thursdays. Team registration will have to go up to help pay for the extra trophies Considering it's less than £5 per head for a whole season at the moment (and has been for years), I'm sure a pound increase won't cause another credit crunch
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Post by controller on Dec 11, 2011 16:14:01 GMT
so who is putting this to the vote at the agm and the committee will need probably at least 2 more volunteers to help out im not against the idea i think it would be kind of good but we will have to recognise the extra effort what is going to be put in by the committee also as martin pointed out extra funds required mind you surely if you are ordering more trophies you can negotiate a better deal so its only a little more isnt there a little left over from comps etc or is all monies used at the moment A better deal could be had!
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Post by Becks on Dec 11, 2011 19:05:49 GMT
Team registration will have to go up to help pay for the extra trophies Considering it's less than £5 per head for a whole season at the moment (and has been for years), I'm sure a pound increase won't cause another credit crunch I not going to agree or disagree but your going to have to sell this to all the members as the only fare way is to have a season with no promotions so all teams know what their playing for, and there will be a need to relegate 2 teams from the prem and more teams from div 1 & even more teams every other division to get your 8 teams per division. I can't see captains voting for that, but hey give it a go The other disadvantage is that not everyone enters competitions which will result in a free Thursday for a lot of teams in the lower divisions. Therefore is it right to alter the structure of the league which works well to accommodate a few who wants competitions played on a Thursday. If you still feel that you would win a vote for this then feel free to write in 14 days before the AGM to be heard. good luck
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Post by monkey on Dec 11, 2011 23:41:53 GMT
There are pros and cons to every way of running a league.
If you reduced each division to 8 teams then there would be 14 league fixtures per season. Keeping to two seasons per year, as it is now, would free up 4 extra Thursday's for each season. These could be used for two more rounds of the TKO and also the first round's of the Singles and Doubles say.
On the down side, most pubs gain their revenue from the League games rather than competitions and the Landlord's would probably be not keen to have less league matches. In addition, to keep to the same standard of trophies would require extra funds. An increase in registration from £30 to £35 would cover it. This would be a double whammy for the pubs. Instead of getting 9 fixtures for £30 they would be getting 7 fixtures for £35.
As far as getting a better deal with trophies. We have already squeezed our current trophy supplier and got an extra couple of percent discount.
The other problem would be when teams drop out. In Summer 2009 season, division 7 started with 8 teams. During the season there were two teams drop out. This left a division of 6 teams which was pretty farcical.
I am sure there are other pros and cons, which others may wish to post.
As far as the committee is concerned. I do not think it would be a problem to manage two extra divisions.
If you wish to propose this idea, then as Martin said, please submit the proposal before the AGM.
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Post by MalteseMauler on Dec 14, 2011 23:17:44 GMT
Currently, a seasons trophies are around £4,000 before our discount. Define "A little more" James? IMHO, two seasons a year works well and I see no real need to change it as ian said maybe a better deal can be had, i dont know specifically how much extra monies would be needed but i know the current deal is a pretty good one so it would be hard to better as martin and monkey have said put it in writing and let everyone vote on it
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Post by controller on Dec 15, 2011 11:55:33 GMT
Martin/Monkey
You're both talking bollx
Pubs wouldn't lose much at all if anything. U overplay this card far too much! Pubs don't run businesses reliant on Thursday pool leagues and nor should the lgue hold any obligation to their coffers.
Martin. You are just generally full of 5hite. And you know I won't raise this at an AGM cos I don't really care TBH. I would play singles for definate if it was on a Thursday tho. It is a Thursday night lge!!!!!
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Post by controller on Dec 15, 2011 11:59:26 GMT
Anyway. Any chance you can make a decision without needing a poxy AGM. You're the committee. Changing fixtures towards more Thursdays and less Sundays doesn't need the approval of the pi55ed up 10% of members.
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Post by monkey on Dec 15, 2011 13:18:14 GMT
Shouldn't you be off organising a picket line.
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Post by Darren Edmonds on Dec 15, 2011 14:06:57 GMT
It is a Thursday night lge!!!!! You're quite right Ian, Thursday night is the league team pool night, if you want to be a singles glory hunter you can do that at some other time - how about Sundays? I think the decision is right. Teams pay a registration fee for the league and to enter the team KO, those events should have priority and be on a Thursday. Garry has already mentioned that the singles competition was moved to a Thursday one season at the expense of the team KO. Singles entry increased slightly, team KO turnout decreased slightly. Team events are open to the 800 players in the league. Singles events to the 90 that sign up and 60 that bother to turn up. It's a no brainer which one should get Thursday priority for me. I'm not a fan of the suggestion to increase divisions and reduce teams to 8 per division. That works nicely with a certain number of teams, but suffers badly with certain entry numbers and when teams drop out. Imagine your division had 7 teams in, then 2 dropped out, would be a farce to run a division with 5 teams. In fact, I think 8 divisions is quite a lot! If time constraints didn't dictate a maximum of about 10 per division I'd be in favour of having more teams per division, not less!
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Post by Craig Benstock on Dec 15, 2011 15:50:12 GMT
Shouldn't you be off organising a picket line. Surely you mean badgering someone else to organise a picket line.
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Post by smackmyballs on Dec 15, 2011 16:26:46 GMT
Which day is good for the picket to be held on? Just a thought: maybe people who don't drive struggle to get to venues out of town? or are the no shows just as prevalent at venues in Cambridge? I'd be more inclined to enter the loners league if it was on a Mon, Tue or Weds and was in Cambridge... and if I wasn't so hopeless at pool that I rely on my team to do most of the winning for me.
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Post by Becks on Dec 15, 2011 22:34:40 GMT
Martin/Monkey You're both talking bollx Pubs wouldn't lose much at all if anything. U overplay this card far too much! Pubs don't run businesses reliant on Thursday pool leagues and nor should the lgue hold any obligation to their coffers. Martin. You are just generally full of 5hite. And you know I won't raise this at an AGM cos I don't really care TBH. I would play singles for definate if it was on a Thursday tho. It is a Thursday night lge!!!!! You should come up & see some light....your'e spending far to much time underground
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Post by Dylan Palmer on Dec 16, 2011 0:33:48 GMT
Which day is good for the picket to be held on? Just a thought: maybe people who don't drive struggle to get to venues out of town? or are the no shows just as prevalent at venues in Cambridge? I'd be more inclined to enter the loners league if it was on a Mon, Tue or Weds and was in Cambridge... and if I wasn't so hopeless at pool that I rely on my team to do most of the winning for me. Can we have the picket on a sunday please, as i'm out of the single comp & play pool most thursdays....but saturday would b better as i can get rat ars*d & not worry about recovering the next day by the way....i honestly crnt c it working any better than the way it's already set up. p.s. a picket by CSC's bar sounds fun tho
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Post by Dylan Palmer on Dec 16, 2011 0:51:23 GMT
2 have a vote @ the AGM would not b a fair vote for all the ppl who DO play in the singles comp, but (just as an idea) for all captain's 2 get individual votes from all their players WHO WOULD PLAY on the best days they're able 2, if we get more than say...double (or what ever % better) then fair play eh?
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Dec 16, 2011 8:39:57 GMT
Who says we're going to have 80 teams next season? It's more than likely to be 81 or 82, which means half of the divisions with 7 teams in. As for the pub income I think it is relevant, as we wouldn't have a league without them. If a pub has 2 teams they currently get 36 weeks in a year where they have a match at their venue. With an 8 team league they'll only get 28 weeks worth. This is for what exactly? An extra few players to be able to enter the singles? It wasn't that much more players entered when it was on a thursday - Maybe 20 at most - so about 3% of the league players. So what are the others going to do on their free thursday? I'm sure they'd prefer to be playing team pool Team pool is for Thursdays, and the comps are optional add-on's for those that choose to enter. You paid your entry fee Ian
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