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Post by loopytunes on Jan 16, 2007 14:38:08 GMT
why isn't it fair? it's our team. no-one elses. we chose to hand pick the best team craig to give us a shot of winning in yarmouth. we never said we woud qualify or pick players from any pool/ snooker league. that is why we didn't do a trial for the tm. super league is a comp 4 players who want to play pool. as do the whole of this tm m8.
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jan 16, 2007 14:45:16 GMT
I thought superleague stipulated that players had to be affiliated with a local league and play a % of games for that local league in order to be eligible.
Perhaps I have got this wrong.
I have nothing against these players, or against a hand picked team of top cueists.
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Post by orrible on Jan 16, 2007 15:06:53 GMT
they will be eligible! So endeth the debate!
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Post by shortstuff on Jan 16, 2007 15:42:58 GMT
I thought superleague stipulated that players had to be affiliated with a local league and play a % of games for that local league in order to be eligible. Perhaps I have got this wrong. I have nothing against these players, or against a hand picked team of top cueists. It sounds as though that's the case according to the rules that Chris posted here earlier, but not according to the rules that I found on the EPA website. The rules I was looking at are dated 1st january 2006 - perhaps Chris has an updated set of rules that cover this season? If so, I wish the EPA would keep their website up to date...
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Post by chris on Jan 16, 2007 17:00:20 GMT
well brave ben i will not be happy about them falsify there name on scorecards for a few reasons most of us will be playing against them in wot ever thursday night league.and i would presume ron will be checking this out before yarmouth as some of this team knows wot ron will do as it's happened before and last of all it is my signiture on the entry forms and if they do anything untoward then i will deal with it my way cos i will not be banned and fined like some did a few season ago and i want cambridge teams to do well but not at my expense. and i know if neil doesn't come back from the masters thursday and play he will not have played 50% and will end up not going so and joe he's got to play every game now till the end of the season.so to your question there will be no cheating
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Post by orrible on Jan 16, 2007 17:40:08 GMT
It would have been nice to have known about the 50% rule early on so we wouldn't be in this mess. Thats right Chris... The guy is making his living doing well in a Major snooker Comp and you twist the knife by saying he won't be there thursday. Did you stop to think that the MoM match was postponed? You are a Numpty Marchant! What are you? Did you manage to find out if playing in the summer league counts? I guess that would be a local decision. I e-mailed Tom Fay and he said who goes is down to us. So therefore the summer league could count!! Any more barriers. Why am I getting the impression that some folks dislike our team?
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Post by Craig Benstock on Jan 16, 2007 17:59:41 GMT
I don't dislike your team at all - I'd love to see a cambridge team go and win at Yarmouth. It would be great to have Neil or Joe involved in the local league. One more tough opponent, and a someone I could watch and learn from. But it has to be done the right way. The 50% rule is there for a reason. It ensures that top players will play at local levels and maintain the development of the local pool scene. It's unfortunate if Neil or Joe have to wait a year before they qualify. If they truely want to play pool and involve themselves in the sport then the opportunity will be there next time. If they simply don't have the time due to a busy snooker fixture, then that is also a shame. however... they can't have their cake and eat it as the saying goes. Cambridge needs to put itself on the map, but it also needs to be sustainable and that is why there are rules that tie players in to playing games. p.s. - if Neil or Joe want to play for us this Thursday - we could really use them
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Post by chris on Jan 16, 2007 18:02:30 GMT
if you want to make this personal i'll see you saturday and tell me to my face,and its county rules so you need to speak to ron.and as for neil i am fully aware of wot he is doing and wot a great job he is doing well done neil.as for the 50% rule they have to 50% of game for2007 so its all the back half of the winter 2006 seaon,all summer 2007 and first half of the winter 2007 so if through out the year there are 36 matches9 winter left18 summer and 9 winter 2007 so they would have to play in 18 0f them matches and they only have to play in 1 frame out of 2 in there matches and i have been told county will want to see scorecards and signitures to verify it's them cos they are well aware of this team and who they have playing in it and that is from the county and if court cheating cambridge area pool league and as far as county players could be banned from all epa events and teams like england so please make sure things are done right cheers
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Post by chris on Jan 16, 2007 18:27:30 GMT
here are the new epa AMMENDED REVISED INTERLEAGUE RULES General: 1. All players taking part in the E.P.A Inter-league competition must be in possession of an E.P.A I.D. photo membership card & a current I.D. membership card as issued through the County Association were they have registered to play in an Inter-league team. 2. Each team wishing to compete in a Counties Inter-League structure must complete a EPA red Inter-League registration form, showing a minimum of nine I.D registered players representing this team. 3. Registering your County Inter-League: The Red Inter-league form must be signed by the County Secretary and forwarded to the National Secretary by the end of April of each year with a fixture list for that year. 4. Red forms and fixture list to be in the possession of the Regional Directors by the 16th April of each year. 5. Any County Association not able to start their Inter-League fixture by the dates set out above must apply in writing for dispensation. 6. E.P.A. National Secretary will be en-powered to stop a County from playing its fixture, if a team does not have at least 9 registered players on their list, (7 ladies in a Ladies Inter-league). 7. No player is allowed to play county matches and Inter-league matches for different county associations where a conflict exists the player will be registered to the county where they played their first Inter-County or Inter-league frame first in that season
Local League Level: 1. Any player who is registered in a local league can, if selected, play for any Inter-league team run by their local league. 2. A player wishing to be a signed Inter-League player and represent his/ her local league must play at least 50% of the local leagues fixtures in that season. 3. A player wishing to be a signed Inter-League player and represent his/ her local league must live within a twelve mile radius of the leagues headquarter. 4. Once a player has been named on an Inter-league fixture score sheet that player is locked into that team until January 1st of the following year. 5. Leagues wishing to send their Inter league team(s) to the National Finals must provide their Local league tables and individual player performance stats to the County Secretary once a month during the playing season. Failure to send updates will result in places being withdrawn No player can play Inter league in one County and play inter county for a different county
County Level: 6 The format of play in the Inter league at County level is: Each affiliated league in a County Association will be responsible for picking or delegating a manager/ captain to run their Inter-league team(s) playing in their Counties Inter-league programme, a. All Inter league teams are restricted to a maximum of 4 professional players. b. Fees and table fees to be arranged within the county association. c. The Inter league season will run from January 1st to December 31st of each year. d. Inter-league matches will be played by teams consisting of a minimum of nine individual players. e. Each Inter-league match will consist of a minimum of nine single frames. f. A fixture may consist of any number of sessions providing they are in multiples of nine frames at the Counties discretion, g. In multiplied framed fixtures: Two Substitutes may be used in a match at any time after the first nine frames have been played, nine players must be present and on match sheet at the start of the match, if any spaces occur on the first nine spaces, then these must stay blank for the second or subsequent session(s), any reserves must be put on match sheet before the start of any match and then only if they are present and ready to play. h. In the event of an unregistered or ineligible player being entered on the match sheet, the team will forfeit any frames won by that player, the frames in question will be awarded to the opposing player, if the ineligible player has no opponent, no player will be awarded the frame win but the offended team will gain the value of the frames in question. The offending team will be dealt with by its county committee as it deems necessary. All result sheets to be with the county official within seven days of the match being played. i. Referees & timekeepers to alternate between frames during a match, if the county appoints a Senior referee for any matches then their decision is final on the rules of the game at all times. all non playing rules will fall to the County Association j. Start times & dates for all Inter-league matches will be set by the County Association. (E.P.A recognise the last weekend of the month as the date for Inter-league matches to be played). k. At the end of the season, but no later than January 1st of the following year, each County Secretary shall notify the National Secretary in writing, their Inter-league final tables and player stats, this letter must incorporate a statement indicating that the winners and runners up will be attending the National finals, once received, the winners & runners up will be guaranteed a place in the National Inter-league Finals in April of that year subject to the teams complying with all deadline dates. l. If a County Association Inter-league has less than six Inter-league teams in it, the County Association must apply in writing to the E.P.A. Secretary to sanction the Inter-league season to be played with less than six teams in it. National Inter-league Finals: 7. All players and spectators must reside on the Site during the Finals. a. A player’s Photo I.D Registration membership card & the current I.D Registration Membership Card must be shown at the Inter-league Finals before the “players” wristband will be issued to them. b. There are four stages to getting an Inter-league team to the finals and each has a deadline date set to it. 1 Stage 1: request for places (letters sent to county secretaries) 2 Stage 2: notification of acceptance of the 96 teams invited (sent to county secretaries) 3 Stage 3: booking forms sent out to the 96 invited teams (sent to registered invited team captains) 4 Stage 4: invited teams booking in to the venue (invited team to send completed forms back to event organiser)
County secretaries take care of steps 1 & 2 Inter-league team captain takes care of steps 3 & 4 Failing to meet any of the deadline dates set for any stage will result in reserve teams being invited in without further communication taking place with the team or county that has missed a deadline date. c. Booking forms will be sent to the qualifying teams, by the end of January of each year, these are to be filled in and accommodation fee paid by the date on the forms. (see rule above) d The reigning champions will be allowed to return the following year to defend their title. (if they win their Counties Inter-league in the same season they are due to return to defend their title, then their County can send their next team available in line to the Finals by right). e. Each County Association fulfilling the EPA criteria for Inter-League will be allowed to send their winners & runner up to the final. (any spaces available after this process has been completed will be filled by County Association’s requesting more places than 2 team’s (large County Inter-League structures will be given priority). f. Each County running official Inter-league fixture, can request as many places as they have teams willing to attend the finals. g. Team captains must register their team’s presence and collect their bond money on the Friday night of the event, between 7PM and 11PM to the main hall top desk. h. Players must have played in a minimum of 50% of that teams matches, in the County's Inter- league Fixture, for that season to qualify to play in the finals. i. Teams with players who do not reach the criteria set for qualification must seek dispensation for each player from the tournament director each case will be looked at separately j. All player stats to be confirmed by their County Secretary and a signed declaration attached to request for places form. k. Any Inter-league players involved in other event that requires them to be on site before the National finals start must still book in through the tournament director or their teams place in the finals will in jeopardy
Format of Play: 8. The draw for the first round will be posted in the main hall on the Friday night for captains to access their tables of play for the Saturday, the draw will show the 32 groups drawn to play, the first two teams will start play at 9am but the third team’s captain must attend the start time, in case a team fails to appear then their team, will play two matches against other team there. a. Draw for the last 32 will take place at 10-30am on the first day of play, by table numbers only. b. Play will start at 9am on the Saturday, and continue until the there are only sixteen teams left in the event. The last sixteen teams will re-commence play on Sunday at 9am and play to a finish. c. Play will be on a round robin basis in the group stage, using 32 tables. The group winners on each table will go through to the last 32, which will be a straight knockout, with the team that reaches 10 frames first being the winner. In the case of a drawn match a simultaneous three frame player will be used to separate the teams. d. During the round robin stage of play match one must complete the full eighteen frames of the match regardless of the score. Scoring will be two points for each match won, and one point for a drawn match, if the first match in a group is a draw, the teams playing will toss a coin, witnessed by a tournament official, to decide which team plays the third team in the group. At the end of the series the team with the most points will win the group. If after the round robin stage two or more teams on the table have the same amount of winning points, then the team with the best legs averages will win. Legs averages will be decided by calculating the number of legs for, minus legs against. e. Order of play in the round robin stage: Team 'A' v Team 'B' (match one). Losing team v Team 'C' (match two). Winner of match 1 v Team 'C' (match three). f. If a team gains a winning margin at any stage during match 3 this margin being such that the group is won, then play may be curtailed in that particular group. For example: Team 'A' beats team 'B' 10-8. Team 'B' loses to team 'C' 10-8 Team 'A' leads team 'C' 9-0 Team 'A' cannot be beaten: Play can be abandoned in order that progress can be made. g The organisers reserve the right to use more than one table for any match at any stage of the event. h. This will be governed by slow play, or any other reason needed to expedite play, given the tight time parameters. In the event of a leg where in the opinion of a referee, or organiser, or organiser’s representative no progress is being made, the leg will be abandoned, and relegated to the end of that match. i. If a result is achieved before the relegated leg is required to be played, then that leg shall be ignored. j. No player will be allowed to play in any match dressed outside the published dress code for the event This rule does not apply to flyers held at the venue. k. In all disputes on playing rules will be the decision of the senior referee and is final. l. No player will be allowed to enter into any dispute or discussion over a dispute. m Only a captain is permitted to approach the stage, and then only to either; (a) Return a completed match sheet, or (b) Register a protest. (such protest will be discussed by the organisers at the first available opportunity). n. Any person using obscene language to a referee or organiser will render themselves liable to eviction from the venue, this includes the Holiday Park. Each captain is fully responsible for the conduct of all members of their party, if a member of any party is evicted from the park, then it is possible that all members of that party will be evicted at the same time. o. The decision of the organiser is final on the day, if the offender/s feel they are being dealt with unfairly they have the right of appeal under the E.P.A disciplinary procedure.
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Post by ed on Jan 16, 2007 18:49:43 GMT
The Elite team has added some more: 1 Ian Norris 2 Simon Rivers 3 Paul Stelmaszuk 4 Will Scott 5 Mick Conlon 6 Jof Middleton 7 Andy Lindsay 8 Michael O'Boyle 9 Neil Robertson 10 Barry Lindsay 11 Rob Cork 12 Joe Perry 13 Jim Munnelly 14 Matt Bradford 15 Vinny Calabrese Do you wanna join us Craig? seriously? don't Elite make condoms?
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Post by ed on Jan 16, 2007 18:54:01 GMT
So therefore the summer league could count!! Any more barriers. Why am I getting the impression that some folks dislike our team? Lets talk about something different! ... sounds like if Neil, Joe, Tom, thingy and Harry play half the matches in the summer league then that should be fine and they should be able to play in the superleague ... but if they don't then they can't play because that is the rules. End of ...
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Post by loopytunes on Jan 17, 2007 7:46:32 GMT
erm they will play and that is the final issue on this debate!!!
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Post by orrible on Jan 17, 2007 9:40:18 GMT
if you want to make this personal i'll see you saturday and tell me to my face huh Is this 'cos I called You a numpty? lol. numpty, numpty, numpty, numpty, numpty, numpty get me back thursday Chris? ;D
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Post by orrible on Jan 17, 2007 11:48:15 GMT
seriously Chris. You do a great job and it is a thankless task. I don't envy you.
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Post by shadydaz on Jan 17, 2007 19:15:21 GMT
schmack, i tried to get down CSC today to give you the reg form and the check, but i ran out of time, will i see you in there on Thursday before your games tomorrow?
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Post by schmack on Jan 17, 2007 19:17:54 GMT
yes mate
will be in mid afternoon onwards
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Post by shadydaz on Jan 17, 2007 19:19:54 GMT
Do we have a team name yet?
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Post by shadydaz on Jan 17, 2007 19:20:19 GMT
I will give you everthing tomorrow Steve.
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Jan 18, 2007 13:45:21 GMT
Do we have a team name yet? Simply "Cambridge Snooker Centre" mate, as the other team have changed to "Team CSC".
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Post by dad - AKA Onespin on Jan 18, 2007 13:47:42 GMT
yes mate will be in mid afternoon onwards How are you doing for getting all these forms in mate? I've got: Mine Deano Peter Craig Juls (already sent herself) This includes the extra £8.00 for reg fees ect...............
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