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Post by MalteseMauler on Mar 3, 2013 11:21:48 GMT
proposal 7 by master clements tbh i cant really comment or offer any opinion on because i dont fully understand all the circumstances if as i think steve mentioned by changing it, it would mean less players being put forward or given the opportunity to go to yarmouth then i cant see how that would be a good thing we want to send as many deserving players as possible to represent us
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Post by monkey on Mar 4, 2013 2:27:05 GMT
Hi James
It would not mean less players going to Yarmouth but change the way they are selected. I am currently seeking clarification from Jamie as to what exactly is proposed. We will then seek clarification from the EPA that we can select players in this way.
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Post by P.A.U.L on Mar 4, 2013 7:23:35 GMT
I think frames should count for more, but I don't think 3 points for a win is weighted towards winning games enough. 5 points for a win and 2 for a draw would make it more balanced as winning games will still have an impact come the end of the season. 3pts - 11or12 frame win 2pts 7-10 win 1pt draw Sorted
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Post by MalteseMauler on Mar 4, 2013 10:17:42 GMT
I think frames should count for more, but I don't think 3 points for a win is weighted towards winning games enough. 5 points for a win and 2 for a draw would make it more balanced as winning games will still have an impact come the end of the season. 3pts - 11or12 frame win 2pts 7-10 win 1pt draw Sorted Thats not a bad shout maybe a slight tweak 4pts - 12 3pts - 9-11 2pts - 7-8 1pt - draw
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Post by chips78 on Mar 4, 2013 11:31:45 GMT
3pts - 11or12 frame win 2pts 7-10 win 1pt draw Sorted Thats not a bad shout maybe a slight tweak 4pts - 12 3pts - 9-11 2pts - 7-8 1pt - draw I think the problem with this is that the losing team has no onus to win those last few games. Whereas if you play a point a frame they do.
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Post by smackmyballs on Mar 4, 2013 12:50:24 GMT
I think the problem with this is that the losing team has no onus to win those last few games. Whereas if you play a point a frame they do. the onus would be on denying the opposition more points? I prefer the old system (2 points win, 1 point draw) with ties at end of season decided by matches won then frame difference rather than on head to heads as it is now. but that's probly just me. What's the reasoning for wanting to change the existing score system? if people want recognition for individual frames they've won you have the hotshots or the singles league! If we implement the points for frames system, this would mean that if your opposition only has 4 players turn up you'd automatically get 4 points before a frame is even played then as suggested by M.scholefield you could award hotshot points to people for not playing. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it
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Post by Newbie on Mar 4, 2013 12:55:51 GMT
Why if it has no affiliation does the singles league show up alongside the CAPL stats?
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Post by MalteseMauler on Mar 4, 2013 13:17:38 GMT
Thats not a bad shout maybe a slight tweak 4pts - 12 3pts - 9-11 2pts - 7-8 1pt - draw I think the problem with this is that the losing team has no onus to win those last few games. Whereas if you play a point a frame they do. ok more tweaking required point per frame draw = no additional points for a win of 7v5, or 8v4 additional 3pts for a win of 9v3, 10v2, 11v1 additional 5pts for a 12v0 additonal 7pts that could satisfy both sides of the debate because it would be a point per frame but points for winning also it will possibly make games more competitive as teams will want to win every frame to maximise as many points as possible
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Post by themightymere on Mar 4, 2013 13:41:24 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't like any bonus/frame points. It would be wrong that a team could win every single match 7-5 but still not win the league. I would also prefer this in the singles league but that's a different subject.
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Post by smackmyballs on Mar 4, 2013 14:15:44 GMT
good point Gav! Why if it has no affiliation does the singles league show up alongside the CAPL stats? seems an irrelevant question. what arguement/reason would you propose not to post them?
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Post by Newbie on Mar 4, 2013 14:53:11 GMT
How is it irrevelant? Someone asked why they had different rules, the answer given was they were in no way related.
It appears when you go on the website that they are, the herts tour etc results are not shown on the same link yet can be found on the same site.
Simple statement really of how people could be confused that the two are affiliated.
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Post by Joe on Mar 4, 2013 15:25:44 GMT
I agree with themightymere. 3 points for a win would be okay with me but points per frame seems like an idea that could reward inconsistant teams which makes it not a fair system in my opinion.
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Post by smackmyballs on Mar 4, 2013 15:34:52 GMT
Newbie each catagory is clearly labelled - "team leagues", "singles league" and "competitions". Ru suggesting that instead of having those stats on same page a link to another page (like the herts tour is) would be better?
The reason I thought your question was irrelevant is because the discussion is about the possibility of changing the points system for the team leagues. which stats are posted on which page makes no difference. imo
maybe i'm missing your point? ifso, I apologise
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Post by Newbie on Mar 4, 2013 15:41:05 GMT
All of which bar the singles league are run by and affiliated with the CAPL. I was stating why the poster (i forget who) was confused over why they have different scoring systems as they appear affiliated. Not a big deal
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Post by Hillsy3105 on Mar 4, 2013 17:21:48 GMT
Is it just me or are people getting a bit ahead of themselves here? I thought the original post said someone wanted to trial a new points system, not the points system needs changing, it's fine as it is, with it only 2 points for a win it puts the onus on making sure your team gets the win and if you draw it's not the end of the world, keeps the league tight and competitive. But that's just my opinion
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Post by P.A.U.L on Mar 4, 2013 21:55:14 GMT
I think the problem with this is that the losing team has no onus to win those last few games. Whereas if you play a point a frame they do. ok more tweaking required point per frame draw = no additional points for a win of 7v5, or 8v4 additional 3pts for a win of 9v3, 10v2, 11v1 additional 5pts for a 12v0 additonal 7pts that could satisfy both sides of the debate because it would be a point per frame but points for winning also it will possibly make games more competitive as teams will want to win every frame to maximise as many points as possible Too much, but i will refine 11/12 win 3pts Win 2 pts Draw 1pt 11/12 LOSS -1 pt ( incentive not to throw ) Thatll put the cat amongst em
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Post by Lefty on Mar 5, 2013 16:03:41 GMT
If you really want to do that Paul, then why not mention that is always used to be 1pt per frame won and a point for a win on the old format of 6 singles and 3 doubles, and it worked very well. Also when it was voted to change the system from 6 and 3 to 12 singles it was simply a vote to do just that and not change the points system with it, only the format. So if you really wanted to be funny you could argue that the proposed system should actually already be in place
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Post by samlegend on Mar 7, 2013 14:15:52 GMT
With regard to the points system, I'm not necessarily suggesting this but this is a lot like one I have used in other leagues.
Win 8-4 or higher - 4 pts Win 7-5 - 3 pts Draw - 2 pts Lose 5-7 - 1 pt Lose 4-8 or worse - 0 pts.
It's not identical as in the league I'm referring to there were 11 frames played so no chance of a draw. This might be flawed but it still gives a bit more incentive to a team 4-7 down etc.
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Post by Newbie on Mar 7, 2013 14:21:05 GMT
Could do, similar to rugby, where it's 4 points for a win, 2 for a draw, and then a bonus point for reaching 5/11?
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Post by Darren Edmonds on Mar 7, 2013 18:49:11 GMT
Hopefully, a scoring system the stats site isn't currently setup to handle won't get voted in .... You can achieve the same staggered effect by considering higher points for win/draw. For example, 1 point per frame, different win/draw points; Score | 10 win, 5 draw | 8 win, 5 draw | 12-0 | 22-0 | 20-0 | 11-1 | 21-1 | 19-1 | 10-2 | 20-2 | 18-2 | 9-3 | 19-3 | 17-3 | 8-4 | 18-4 | 16-4 | 7-5 | 17-5 | 15-5 | 6-6 | 11-11 | 11-11 |
The higher points for win/draw help balance the issues with huge wins swaying end of season results. The difference between a 7-5 and 6-6 is represented more accurately in the points you earn. I prefer 8 win, 5 draw, maybe even taking a win down to 7 points. For comparison, premier division for this season.
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