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Post by P.A.U.L on Jun 11, 2013 20:09:04 GMT
I think: this is a pub league, played on well used/old/warped/beer stained pub tables. Its hard enough for pubs to justify keeping the tables, which take up valuable "gastro-pub" dining area, without asking for them to be kept exceptional. That's the way it is - simple as - learn to adjust your game, make sure you know the rolls before you play and deal with it. I watch countless players - my own team mates included - who fail to use the practice time wisely to judge the table rather than there own ability. Anyone who has ever seen me practice in that 5 minute slot will know that I pick balls up, place them on cushions roll them down the table, ram them into pockets (testing jaws), and generally ignore any aspect of game. My reasoning is, if you cannot pot straight balls already, then your not going to learn in 5 minutes - at least get a feel for the table, this will help you in deciding which colors to pick, how hard to hit, how the jaws react, hows the slate around the middles. etc ( a ball on a cushion which rolls in is as good if not better as a ball in the open; a ball on the cushion which rolls away better take the pot at speed else its never going in ) However - if you feel the need: Thisor thismight help you level.
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Post by MalteseMauler on Jun 12, 2013 7:28:33 GMT
I was in the Rock friday night, and to be fair I didn't think it was playing too badly and at least it's in Cambridge. Regarding any sort of proposal, how can you quantify a tables deemed quality in order to state what requirements would make it acceptable to be allowed into a pub league? really its not difficult at all having one basic rule like you have to be able to use a full length cue on each side of the table would be a start at least then you would get half a chance at being able to work out rolls etc or even just say once the committee have received a certain number of complaints about a particular venues table they can contact the landlord/captain/admiral etc and tell them to sort out whatever the issue is, this would be easy for the venue to sort as wayne said most tables are not owned by the pub or club so the landlord needs to make one call to sort it out so in a nutshell this constant thing of how do you monitor table quality is a ridiculous statement anything is possible
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Post by monkey on Jun 12, 2013 9:08:09 GMT
I don't think it is as black and white as it is being portrayed. What do you propose we do for venues that don't allow a full length cue on either side of the table? Ban them from the league? Again regarding a table being level. If it gets moved every week then the table owners will not come out and level it every week. Paul has demonstrated above how to level a table. In my experience it is generally down to the home team to get it somewhere near right. If your table gets moved every week then you may need to spend 10 minutes trying to sort it out. You won't get it perfect but as long as it is reasonable then you should be OK. If this is not done do you suggest we again ban the venue from the league? This is very subjective and would be difficult to enforce. Players often complain about the table once they have lost. I am not saying this happened in this particular instance but i have seen it occur. As is also stated above you should use your practise time to check the table. I nornmally put two balls on the side cushion and then hit them to propel one up the rail and see if it hugs the rail or moves out. If you do that on either side of the table then you get some idea of the rolls. Lastly, i rarely play slow shots on a strange table. You are asking for trouble.
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Post by blueandwhite on Jun 12, 2013 14:00:40 GMT
well you know what they say a bad workman always blames his tools!
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Post by timmy on Jun 13, 2013 8:53:37 GMT
It can be frustrating playing on an uneven table but it is the same for everybody. As for banning a team for not having enough space around the table is ridiculous! Pubs over the country are all ready shutting down and to deprive them of a little extra income which we provide can be important to them. In my opinion i like playing in different pubs and generally prefer them to clubs etc If i have to occasionally be hampered then does it really matter? I think that all competitions where individuals are paying out of their own pocket should have a better standard of table (no obvious rolls, space around table etc) but as the league entry is paid by the venue then they are entitled to enter whatever space there is around the table obviously within reason. Having a good night and meeting new people is the main reason most people play isn't it?! (and the beer of course!!)
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Post by MalteseMauler on Jun 14, 2013 8:37:09 GMT
It can be frustrating playing on an uneven table but it is the same for everybody. As for banning a team for not having enough space around the table is ridiculous! Pubs over the country are all ready shutting down and to deprive them of a little extra income which we provide can be important to them. In my opinion i like playing in different pubs and generally prefer them to clubs etc If i have to occasionally be hampered then does it really matter? I think that all competitions where individuals are paying out of their own pocket should have a better standard of table (no obvious rolls, space around table etc) but as the league entry is paid by the venue then they are entitled to enter whatever space there is around the table obviously within reason. Having a good night and meeting new people is the main reason most people play isn't it?! (and the beer of course!!) you said it all there ""within reason"
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Post by Dan on Jun 14, 2013 12:16:18 GMT
James you need a ruling that is data-driven rather than opinion based. Saying it should be within reason is open to everyone's interpretation.
I think any such ruling would be unenforceable.
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