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Post by orrible on May 17, 2008 9:46:30 GMT
Ranking List Adam Armstrong, Cambs_Elite P2, W2, L0 100.00% We've got Adam Armstrong, we've got Adam Armstrong, la la la la, la la la la You have nicked our player, you tried nicking our players, nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah
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millerman
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Post by millerman on May 18, 2008 1:29:59 GMT
Playing unregistered players i believe or not correctly registered. REALLY!!!
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dave
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Post by dave on May 18, 2008 8:41:50 GMT
Playing unregistered players i believe or not correctly registered. REALLY!!! Yes Martin i believe sending photos in is a requirement to be correctly registered and please dont say you didnt know about it
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Post by stelmagic on May 18, 2008 21:48:53 GMT
REALLY!!! Yes Martin i believe sending photos in is a requirement to be correctly registered and please dont say you didnt know about it if that is the reason that is ridiculous its not like they are trying to cheat they have registered the player surely it would make more sense for interleague organisers to say we need a photo of this person than go in deducting frames.
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millerman
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Post by millerman on May 19, 2008 1:30:21 GMT
if that is the reason that is ridiculous its not like they are trying to cheat they have registered the player surely it would make more sense for interleague organisers to say we need a photo of this person than go in deducting frames. Here..Here Not Frames, we have been docked 2 Points. (which means we could draw our next two games and still be on zero! ) For the record the player in question is Dom Claydon-Wallace, both his Registration Form and his Registration fee were sent in before the start of the season and I even wrote on his Registration Form Photos to follow. (There is no mension of photos in the constitution). I have done this in previous seasons and forwarded the photos as the players give them to me and have Never been dock points! What has changed? As far as I was concern I have done No wrong. The reason that the photos have been slow coming (and believe me I have sent plenty of text reminders) is that Dom's circumstances have changed and he is now unable to make Monday evenings and therefore will not be playing for my Team anyway. Dale, as you have got involved in this, the Match in question was against your Team. Dom was not selected for the front Nine and after the front nine I offered to concede the Match and give you the following nine frames. This didn't happen as you requested that the players in my Team that were willing to play the back nine play them, of which there was Eight, one of whom was Dom. Having offered to concede ALL nine frames, do you honestly think I would have played an Unregistered Player? To me the word Unregistered is very Grey in this case, Yes he had filled out Registration form and Yes he had paid a Registration Fee. This was not simply a player that I pulled off the street, a ringer to gain an unfair advantage. I was under the impression that as long as I forwarded the photos in plenty of time to produce his photo Id for Yarmouth then, hand on hart I thought this to be ok. We like every other Inter League Team are trying to Reach the Nation Finals and do so by fair means, anyone that really knows me, will now that I pride myself on my Honesty and would NEVER cheat to achieve My Goals. I would be disappointed if the other Teams were happy to gain a 2 point advantage in this way, and must say that in a League with only a possible maximum 20 points available, a 2 point deduction is more than severe! I believe in this case the Punishment does not fit the crime but I am keen to hear others views, including my own players who I now feel I have let down and have been wrongly Punished!
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Post by juls on May 19, 2008 14:14:36 GMT
3. Team registration sheets and player registrations are to be with the County Secretary before the start of the season. These together with this list of playing rules must be forwarded immediately to the E.P.A. Secretary and the Region 4 Director so the League is recognised at National level. Sorry Martin but I dont think you or us have a leg to stand on. Full registration includes Pictures. I also believe both teams were given an extra 10 days to produce these which is more than enough time in my oppinion. I believe both teams should hold their hands up it wasnt as if we were not warned what would happen
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millerman
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Post by millerman on May 19, 2008 17:29:22 GMT
3. Team registration sheets and player registrations are to be with the County Secretary before the start of the season. These together with this list of playing rules must be forwarded immediately to the E.P.A. Secretary and the Region 4 Director so the League is recognised at National level. Sorry Martin but I dont think you or us have a leg to stand on. Full registration includes Pictures. I also believe both teams were given an extra 10 days to produce these which is more than enough time in my oppinion. I believe both teams should hold their hands up it wasnt as if we were not warned what would happen I am afraid that I disagree, I am not saying that no punishment be issued but I feel that both Teams have two separate cases and that the level of punishment should fit the crime. Personally I am not in favour of a Team been deducted points, particularly with the scoring system as it is, with only 2 points for a win. To dock a Team 2 points almost takes away the Teams opportunity of qualifying for the National Finals which is what motivates Inter League players. This will only result in players losing there interest and Captains struggling to field a Team, which will then result in Teams dropping out of the League as we saw last Season! I for one would like to see the League grow and not demoralize as it has done, where we now only have 6 teams, 4 of whom play out of Cambridge. (Hardly a fair reflection on the number of players within Region 4!) What would be wrong with deducting frames won by unregistered players and then fining the players at fault. I would rather pay a fine on Dom's behalf for his wrong doings, than have the 14 Registered players within my Team punished by been docked points! Having spoken to Dan this afternoon I understand that your Team had about 4 unregistered players, a couple of whom Izzy had not even received Registration forms for. He was not going to appeal as he felt he didn't have a leg to stand on, as you put it! He did sympathize with my situation though and said he felt that I Should appeal! Is it right then that your Team have 4 unregistered players, 2 with out forms. We have 1 player that has sent both forms and Registration fees but not as yet, forwarded his photos and yet we receive exactly the SAME punishment - 2 POINTS !! Personally I find it Ridiculous!! I know Dan is now struggling for a Team tonight, as I am and we are only One game into the Season!!!
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2008 22:47:56 GMT
I do think the penalty is harsh on Martin here, it does say complete registration but I think a 2 point penalty is over the top. Rules are rules, but if this is the correct ruling on this case I think the CPA should consider changing certain penalties. In our case I accepted our punishment and Martin is right in that us getting the same penalty seems wrong, but to dock us more than 2 points (as martin pointed out to me 10% of the available) would be outright wrong. Perhaps a frames penalty would be more acceptable in this scenario?
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Post by Matt B on May 19, 2008 23:17:28 GMT
Seems like trouble is brewing then. Hope you all get it sorted guys, we all want a competitive and level league....especially with so few team participating. We turned in another good one tonight to beat St Neots 10-8. Damage was done early on as we had a big lead all game, and got to 10-5 ahead. Bit sloppy to lose the last 3, but a wins a wins a win. Roll on the workies.
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chronos
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Post by chronos on May 20, 2008 11:14:21 GMT
3. Team registration sheets and player registrations are to be with the County Secretary before the start of the season. These together with this list of playing rules must be forwarded immediately to the E.P.A. Secretary and the Region 4 Director so the League is recognised at National level. This is just petty. I know for a fact that the Run, in the past, has been a bit slow in getting photos sent away. We have always sent the forms and the fees on time and never before has there been any problem with late arrival of photos. We are talking about ONE player, who played ONE frame (which he lost!!!!) and that player will not be playing for us again this season. To dock 2 points from us for this is ridiculous. Petty bureaucracy at best. If Martins appeal is not upheld I think we should withdraw from what is rapidly becoming a pointless league.
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Post by James Griffiths on May 20, 2008 11:56:37 GMT
dan why have we been ocked the points?
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Post by Craig Benstock on May 20, 2008 12:12:05 GMT
dan why have we been ocked the points? ....Having spoken to Dan this afternoon I understand that your Team had about 4 unregistered players, a couple of whom Izzy had not even received Registration forms for. He was not going to appeal as he felt he didn't have a leg to stand on....
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Post by juls on May 20, 2008 12:17:18 GMT
3. Team registration sheets and player registrations are to be with the County Secretary before the start of the season. These together with this list of playing rules must be forwarded immediately to the E.P.A. Secretary and the Region 4 Director so the League is recognised at National level. This is just petty. I know for a fact that the Run, in the past, has been a bit slow in getting photos sent away. We have always sent the forms and the fees on time and never before has there been any problem with late arrival of photos. We are talking about ONE player, who played ONE frame (which he lost!!!!) and that player will not be playing for us again this season. To dock 2 points from us for this is ridiculous. Petty bureaucracy at best. If Martins appeal is not upheld I think we should withdraw from what is rapidly becoming a pointless league. Threatening to pull out if you dont get your own way will only hurt your case. Martin should know this from experience. The best course is to put your case rationally to the committee. From my experience committee's are far more likely to listen to reasoned argument than threats and rants.
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Post by juls on May 20, 2008 12:23:11 GMT
dan why have we been ocked the points? Beacuse despite being asked to do so players did not get their registration forms and photo's off in time. It is not like Thursday league were you can star the score card you have to be epa registered to be elligable to play.
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chronos
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Post by chronos on May 20, 2008 12:53:09 GMT
This is just petty. I know for a fact that the Run, in the past, has been a bit slow in getting photos sent away. We have always sent the forms and the fees on time and never before has there been any problem with late arrival of photos. We are talking about ONE player, who played ONE frame (which he lost!!!!) and that player will not be playing for us again this season. To dock 2 points from us for this is ridiculous. Petty bureaucracy at best. If Martins appeal is not upheld I think we should withdraw from what is rapidly becoming a pointless league. Threatening to pull out if you dont get your own way will only hurt your case. Martin should know this from experience. The best course is to put your case rationally to the committee. From my experience committee's are far more likely to listen to reasoned argument than threats and rants. Juls, READ my posting. It says 'I THINK'. Nothing else. Nobody else is mentioned. Noone else is making comment. Just me. My thoughts. My feelings on the matter. Do not make the enormous error of assuming other people do my thinking for me. I'm sure the proper channels are being followed by the proper people, without any interference from me. I am merely commenting on a forum which is designed PRECISELY for that reason. In future, PLEASE READ MY POSTS CORRECTLY
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Post by juls on May 20, 2008 14:07:29 GMT
Threatening to pull out if you dont get your own way will only hurt your case. Martin should know this from experience. The best course is to put your case rationally to the committee. From my experience committee's are far more likely to listen to reasoned argument than threats and rants. Juls, READ my posting. It says 'I THINK'. Nothing else. Nobody else is mentioned. Noone else is making comment. Just me. My thoughts. My feelings on the matter. Do not make the enormous error of assuming other people do my thinking for me. I'm sure the proper channels are being followed by the proper people, without any interference from me. I am merely commenting on a forum which is designed PRECISELY for that reason. In future, PLEASE READ MY POSTS CORRECTLY Touche read mine too I was merely pointing out that was not the right way to go and Martin would know that. Thats my oppinion as you say I have the right to give.
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chronos
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Post by chronos on May 20, 2008 14:22:26 GMT
You actually wrote 'Martin SHOULD know that'. Implying that Martin had some influence over the content of my post.
He did not.
The post was MY post. MY thoughts.
I'm sure that the committee will receive an official representation from the proper people in due course.
If they, or their representatives, make a decision based on what is written here, things which are merely personal comments passed in a general and free forum, then I feel sorry for anyone subject to their decisions.....
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Post by juls on May 20, 2008 16:26:20 GMT
You actually wrote 'Martin SHOULD know that'. Implying that Martin had some influence over the content of my post. He did not. The post was MY post. MY thoughts. I'm sure that the committee will receive an official representation from the proper people in due course. If they, or their representatives, make a decision based on what is written here, things which are merely personal comments passed in a general and free forum, then I feel sorry for anyone subject to their decisions..... The implications are in your head I did not imply anything of the sort.
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Post by Dan on May 21, 2008 21:37:14 GMT
It's not sunday
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Post by orrible on Jun 3, 2008 9:22:17 GMT
Threatening to pull out if you dont get your own way will only hurt your case. Martin should know this from experience. The best course is to put your case rationally to the committee. From my experience committee's are far more likely to listen to reasoned argument than threats and rants. Juls, READ my posting. It says 'I THINK'. Nothing else. Nobody else is mentioned. Noone else is making comment. Just me. My thoughts. My feelings on the matter. Do not make the enormous error of assuming other people do my thinking for me. I'm sure the proper channels are being followed by the proper people, without any interference from me. I am merely commenting on a forum which is designed PRECISELY for that reason. In future, PLEASE READ MY POSTS CORRECTLY Oi. Pick on someone your own size, you foooking Psycho
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